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Tue Aug 26th, 2008 at 09:41:49 AM EST

Awareness of Internet Traditions ch 96

Urban Dictionary: thread lord

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One who creates a thread on a forum and continually posts comments after every reply. Most of said comments are useless, and are only an attempt to keep the thread going.

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Minge-bag25: Any more stuff for my thread?
Minge-bag25: Hey forum poster, how's that thing of your's doing?
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When locusts move on, they leave nothing behind
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Tue Aug 26th, 2008 at 09:43:39 AM EST
... a banana.

Yeah.

Bananas. Evil. They prey on the mind. Not like rocks, which are filled with charm and are fuzzy for the synapses. The bananas. Worse than cats. Worse than pancake wars. Worse than Russians. Worse than your zipper ripping during a public speech, bad breath, lunchbreaks with no lunch, tigers.

Fear the banana. They come to take your brain.

Or in other words: I've finally taken my own advice at heart and decided to go insane for a while to forget about work stress. Much more bearable.

by Nomad on Tue Aug 26th, 2008 at 09:54:59 AM EST
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I've finally taken my own advice at heart and decided to go insane for a while to forget about work stress.

at least in your case it's temporary.

 /snark

propping up the myth of sanity is hard work!

the more i expect of myself the less i perform, but the conditioning the other way goes really deep.

wu-wei for ever, friction is wearying...

ban bananas!

Peace is not the absence of war -- peace is the absence of fear. Ursula Franklin

by melo (melometa4(at)gmail.com) on Tue Aug 26th, 2008 at 10:22:46 AM EST
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In Wales is back in Wales and off for some sleep!

Ad astra per aspera
by In Wales (inwales aaat eurotrib.com) on Tue Aug 26th, 2008 at 10:21:23 AM EST
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Good to see you arrived well at home. Hope the trip was nice. And have sweet dreams. :-)

And a good start tomorrow at work!

by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Tue Aug 26th, 2008 at 10:23:25 AM EST
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sweet dreams, we'll try to whisper!

Peace is not the absence of war -- peace is the absence of fear. Ursula Franklin
by melo (melometa4(at)gmail.com) on Tue Aug 26th, 2008 at 10:24:14 AM EST
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https://secure.avaaz.org/en/report_back_2
Campaign Update -- May-July 2008

Over the last 3 months, Avaaz members have helped to win the first global treaty banning cluster bombs, successfully campaigned for a ceasefire to ease the humanitarian crisis in Gaza, prevented G8 summit leaders from spinning their failure to act on climate change, run a major global ad campaign in Chinese communities promoting a constructive dialogue with China over Tibet and other issues, and personally rankled the President of Sudan (indicted for genocide by the International Criminal Court) with a campaign to help bring him to trial.

Below is a quick summary of campaigning developments on Israel and Palestine, the food crisis, Zimbabwe, climate change, China, Tibet, and the Olympics, Darfur, cluster bombs, and more. On all of these issues, much more remains to be done -- but we have all contributed in important ways. What we've done so far is just the beginning.

Peace is not the absence of war -- peace is the absence of fear. Ursula Franklin

by melo (melometa4(at)gmail.com) on Tue Aug 26th, 2008 at 10:29:58 AM EST
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You mentioned in yesterday's OT that lovable monstrosity of yours. Do you have a picture of him? :-D
by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Tue Aug 26th, 2008 at 10:26:06 AM EST
Hello, Fran!  

<head down in shame>  I have not downloaded my camera in over a year, so I don´t have pictures of Sunday to post, but he´s a conceited, white bellied, grey and black cat with devious green eyes.

He says he ´will let me stay for now´.  (;

You know the stories that could be written about the most regular cats.

Our knowledge has surpassed our wisdom. --Charu Saxena.

by metavision on Tue Aug 26th, 2008 at 01:56:46 PM EST
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You know, metavision, if you have no picture of HIM - I consider it very generous of him that he lets you stay in the apartment. :-D

Btw. it does not need to be a picture of last Sunday, any picture will due.

by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Tue Aug 26th, 2008 at 02:59:05 PM EST
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You can write the stories about the most extraordinary people, but I can't persuade you

keep to the Fen Causeway
by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Tue Aug 26th, 2008 at 03:14:52 PM EST
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Helen, I vaguely remember talking about it with you here, but please remind me.

Oh, I remember, now.  The people I end up talking with everywhere, right?  

Dog, give me time!  Or better time management.  (;

Our knowledge has surpassed our wisdom. --Charu Saxena.

by metavision on Tue Aug 26th, 2008 at 04:21:53 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Cat survives being walled in under bath for 7 weeks | International | Reuters
BERLIN (Reuters) - A four-year-old cat in Germany called Bonny has survived after being walled in beneath a bathtub for seven weeks, its owner said Tuesday.


When locusts move on, they leave nothing behind
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Tue Aug 26th, 2008 at 03:56:58 PM EST
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Amazing!  Can´t argue with cat wisdom...

Our knowledge has surpassed our wisdom. --Charu Saxena.
by metavision on Tue Aug 26th, 2008 at 04:35:14 PM EST
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Somebody mentioned last night we've been mean of late in some of our comments threads.

Possibly due to there not being so many people around at the moment. Summer may not have been great shakes across much of n. europe, but an awful lot of people seem to have gone awol and we just don't have too many voices on the board. So those of us left are getting a bit bored and fractious. A couple of saturdays ago I was apparently the only person logged in for about 5 hours.

And of course, there's actually not been much politics going on, that doesn't help. Thank god for Sakashvilli going nuts else all we'd have had to talk about would have been the American election.

So !!! Any bets about what's gonna happen in the next couple of months that gonna get us jumping ? Aside from some election of little consequence.

My bet is that the Pakistan/Afghanistan thing is gonna get real hot before the end of September. The Taleban have turned a corner and seem to feel they're gonna win. They're established in the towns, setting up parallel administrations all around Kabul. Meanwhile there's a surge (remember them) in Helmland province at the moment, but it's only for a couple more weeks. Then, all bets are off.

After all.... well the politics are getting tasty. Karzai is having genuine problems. The pakistani govt is caught between the devil and the deep blue sea over who they support and who they suppress. The russians are cutting NATO's throat regards supplies. And NATO still doesn't really know what it's supposed to do or how best to go about it, so it's just killing anybody who might be a bad guy and blowing stuff up without regard as to any strategy and just pissing off every Afghani in the whole beknighted country.

This is gonna be where the shit will go down and long before november. I hope Obama has a cunning response cos otherwise McCain is gonna have cakewalk.

keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Tue Aug 26th, 2008 at 10:30:51 AM EST
I don't think anything stunning will happen between now and the election.

you are the media you consume.

by MillMan (millguy at gmail) on Tue Aug 26th, 2008 at 01:07:00 PM EST
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If the taleban are to do anything, they have to do it in the next few weeks before the passes back to Pakistan become too treacherous. I really think they feel they possess an advantage they have to press. I'll be genuinely surprised if they leave things be till spring.

keep to the Fen Causeway
by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Tue Aug 26th, 2008 at 01:25:19 PM EST
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I'd view a Taliban takeover as just another day in Afghanistan.

Not sure about election implications. I doubt it would favor either candidate.

you are the media you consume.

by MillMan (millguy at gmail) on Tue Aug 26th, 2008 at 01:39:33 PM EST
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I'd be uncertain, depends how the "You need the republicans to defend you" meme plays against the "Its all gone to hell on your watch" one.

Of course they may play the trusty "Blame it all on the Iranians" In which case bombs away. or maybe the even more trusty "Blame it all on the Russians" in which case you'd really have to think that turnabout really is fair play.

Life should consist in at least fifty percent pure waste of time, and the rest doing what you please.

by ceebs (bunchofwankers (at) gmail (dot) com) on Tue Aug 26th, 2008 at 03:39:20 PM EST
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Wind farms put pressure on bats

Bats are at risk from wind turbines, researchers have found, because the rotating blades produce a change in air pressure that can kill the mammals.

Canadian scientists examined bats found dead at a wind farm, and concluded that most had internal injuries consistent with sudden loss of air pressure.

Bats use echo-location to avoid hitting the blades but cannot detect the sharp pressure changes around the turbine.

The scientists say wind farms are more of an issue for bats than for birds.

"An atmospheric pressure drop at wind turbine blades is an undetectable - and potentially unforseeable - hazard for bats, thus partially explaining the large number of bat fatalities at these specific structures," said Erin Baerwald, who led the research team at the University of Calgary.

(...)

The Calgary team collected carcasses of hoary and silver-haired bats killed at a wind farm in south-western Alberta.

Examinations showed that fewer than half had external injuries that could have been caused by collision.

But about 90% had internal haemorrhaging, most notably in the chest cavity, a condition that puts pressure on the lung and can be fatal.

The idea is that the pressure around a rotating turbine blade is lower than in the surrounding air. A bat flying into the low-pressure zone finds its lungs suddenly expanding, bursting capillaries in the surrounding tissue which then becomes flooded with blood.

Birds, which have more rigid and robust lungs, do not undergo the same trauma from a sudden drop in pressure.

"Given that bats are far more susceptible to barotrauma than birds, and that bat fatalities at wind turbines far outnumber bird fatalities at most sites, wildlife fatalities at wind turbines are now a bat issue, not a bird issue," said Ms Baerwald.

Bats!  Look, bats are not birds, ok.  And they are NOT rodents.  Bats are mammals.  Flying mammals.  They're practically primates.  They play a vital ecological role, like bees.   They're sometimes even vampires.  Of all the animals, they are the coolest.  We cannot tolerate bat-i-cide!  

Jerome, you are hereby charged with the task of inventing bat-safe windmills!

This is unacceptable.

Save The Bats!



"This is nothing compared to how Putin rigged Eurovision."

by poemless on Tue Aug 26th, 2008 at 11:54:17 AM EST
And they are NOT rodents.  Bats are mammals.

This juxtaposition makes sense only if rodents are not mammals...

A vivid image of what should exist acts as a surrogate for reality. Pursuit of the image then prevents pursuit of the reality -- John K. Galbraith

by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Tue Aug 26th, 2008 at 11:59:34 AM EST
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Wasn't meant to be a juxtaposition.  

"This is nothing compared to how Putin rigged Eurovision."
by poemless on Tue Aug 26th, 2008 at 12:01:09 PM EST
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Why does it matter that they are not rodents?

A vivid image of what should exist acts as a surrogate for reality. Pursuit of the image then prevents pursuit of the reality -- John K. Galbraith
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Tue Aug 26th, 2008 at 12:04:33 PM EST
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Because a lot of people think they are, like rats.

"This is nothing compared to how Putin rigged Eurovision."
by poemless on Tue Aug 26th, 2008 at 12:11:04 PM EST
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Apparently they are more closely related to cats and dogs than they are to rodents or primates.

A vivid image of what should exist acts as a surrogate for reality. Pursuit of the image then prevents pursuit of the reality -- John K. Galbraith
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Tue Aug 26th, 2008 at 12:12:24 PM EST
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And they are NOT rodents.  Bats are mammals.  Flying mammals.  They're practically primates.

Interestingly, the Placental Mammals subdivide into 4 superorders, one of which contains Bats and another one Primates, and Rodents happen to belong to the same one as Primates.

So you could say bats are NOT rodents: rodents are practically mammals but bats aren't.

A vivid image of what should exist acts as a surrogate for reality. Pursuit of the image then prevents pursuit of the reality -- John K. Galbraith

by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Tue Aug 26th, 2008 at 12:11:24 PM EST
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rodents are practically mammals but bats aren't?

No, I couldn't say that.  What the hell is your problem?

"This is nothing compared to how Putin rigged Eurovision."

by poemless on Tue Aug 26th, 2008 at 12:18:27 PM EST
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I mean practically primates.

Ugh.

I shouldn't PN when I'm tired, is my problem.

A vivid image of what should exist acts as a surrogate for reality. Pursuit of the image then prevents pursuit of the reality -- John K. Galbraith

by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Tue Aug 26th, 2008 at 12:20:36 PM EST
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You should not go around de-railing people's posts is what you should not do.  Seriously, I actually put some effort into that comment (link, picture, text, commentary) and now, for what?  Meanwhile someone asks for a cat picture and gets uprated.  No wonder people leave here.  The bias is nothing short of amazing.

"This is nothing compared to how Putin rigged Eurovision."
by poemless on Tue Aug 26th, 2008 at 04:37:05 PM EST
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[ET Moderation Technology™]

You may object to Migeru's comments, but they are quite anodyne and don't call for downratings.

When locusts move on, they leave nothing behind

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Tue Aug 26th, 2008 at 04:58:15 PM EST
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They were baiting.  

And I don't need your [ET Moderation TechnologyTM] .  You've already gotten me kicked off the FP.  Not enough of a power trip for you, afew?  

"This is nothing compared to how Putin rigged Eurovision."

by poemless on Tue Aug 26th, 2008 at 05:16:09 PM EST
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That is a vicious and false personal accusation, as you well know. You were not "kicked off", you resigned as a front-pager, and I had nothing to do with it.

But let your comment stand, I don't object to people seeing it.

When locusts move on, they leave nothing behind

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Tue Aug 26th, 2008 at 05:21:02 PM EST
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Disappointing. Will not give you the 0 this post genuinely deserves.

Worth a public apology to afew when you've cooled off. Which is what I sincerely hope you're doing. Get some fresh air, take stock of what's good, then come back.

by Nomad on Tue Aug 26th, 2008 at 07:23:17 PM EST
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"Will not give you the 0 this post genuinely deserves?"  Lack of nerve or what?  

Don't even hold your breath waiting for that apology to afew, who has almost single-handedly led the fight to keep me off the fp!

"This is nothing compared to how Putin rigged Eurovision."

by poemless on Wed Aug 27th, 2008 at 12:19:11 PM EST
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Well, in this case I am going to give you a 0!
by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Wed Aug 27th, 2008 at 12:28:18 PM EST
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Your own behaviour keeps you off the FP.

It also keeps other people from wanting to engage with you on here, because despite your often excellent diaries and writing, the way you react to comments can be so unpredictable and aggressive at times that people don't know if they are going to end up in the firing line.

Ad astra per aspera

by In Wales (inwales aaat eurotrib.com) on Wed Aug 27th, 2008 at 03:02:18 PM EST
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That's not even TRUE.  

But you know that.  

"This is nothing compared to how Putin rigged Eurovision."

by poemless on Wed Aug 27th, 2008 at 03:14:48 PM EST
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Sounds true to me.
by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Wed Aug 27th, 2008 at 03:24:02 PM EST
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Zero-rating FPers is sort of funny/pathetic, otherwise I'd zap all your ratings and suspend your ability to make them for repeated abusive ratings.

You should know better.

by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Wed Aug 27th, 2008 at 03:27:38 PM EST
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Your own behaviour keeps you off the FP

Again, I haven't seen a single suggestion to bring poemless into the FP team over the past year, so I don't know that that's true.

A vivid image of what should exist acts as a surrogate for reality. Pursuit of the image then prevents pursuit of the reality -- John K. Galbraith

by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Wed Aug 27th, 2008 at 03:36:03 PM EST
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I've been an FPer for a year and I have no idea what the fight to keep me off the fp refers to.

As far as I'm concerned it's ancient history, assuming it is not ancient myth.

A vivid image of what should exist acts as a surrogate for reality. Pursuit of the image then prevents pursuit of the reality -- John K. Galbraith

by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Wed Aug 27th, 2008 at 03:35:14 PM EST
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I always attempt to make clear my ratings motivation. Severe personal attacks are in my book the worst kind in a community that's tightly knit. I detest 1 & 0 rating long-term and valuable contributors, especially if I think there's a chance to bring them back to reason. My mistake then.

I honestly don't understand what's gotten into you.  

by Nomad on Wed Aug 27th, 2008 at 05:12:40 PM EST
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Surely "deserving a 0 rating" was hyperbole on your part...

A vivid image of what should exist acts as a surrogate for reality. Pursuit of the image then prevents pursuit of the reality -- John K. Galbraith
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Wed Aug 27th, 2008 at 05:18:58 PM EST
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poemless:
And I don't need your [ET Moderation TechnologyTM] .  You've already gotten me kicked off the FP.  Not enough of a power trip for you, afew?  

Groundless accusation & personal attack.

I always see red when this happens. Deserves a zero in my book.

Here: http://xkcd.com/438/

by Nomad on Wed Aug 27th, 2008 at 05:35:06 PM EST
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xkcd good.

When locusts move on, they leave nothing behind
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Thu Aug 28th, 2008 at 03:38:35 AM EST
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Ratings below 1 lead to hidden comments. Certainly it wasn't offensive enough to the rest of the planet to warrant hiding?

A vivid image of what should exist acts as a surrogate for reality. Pursuit of the image then prevents pursuit of the reality -- John K. Galbraith
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Thu Aug 28th, 2008 at 05:32:34 AM EST
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you underestimate how severely I feel about personal assaults. We can discuss this rationally. I rate empathically.
by Nomad on Thu Aug 28th, 2008 at 06:26:17 AM EST
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Fair enough.

Still, in order to decide whether the attack was groundless we'd have to ask poemless and afew to air whatever dirty laundry poemless claims they have but afew denies and I'm not interested in that, are you?

Which probably means that, since the laundry can't be aired, it was unwise for poemless to make the accusation in public in the first place.

A vivid image of what should exist acts as a surrogate for reality. Pursuit of the image then prevents pursuit of the reality -- John K. Galbraith

by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Thu Aug 28th, 2008 at 06:36:20 AM EST
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My reply was at the level of seriousness of your commentary.

And I did reply on the substance of the story, too.

Plus we learned that bats are closer relatives of cats than of mice (or people).

I don't know what you're complaining about.

A vivid image of what should exist acts as a surrogate for reality. Pursuit of the image then prevents pursuit of the reality -- John K. Galbraith

by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Tue Aug 26th, 2008 at 07:22:38 PM EST
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You are obviously trying to distract from the story, which is about bats being killed by windfarms, since it is a no-no to say anything bad about windfarms here.  Classy.

"This is nothing compared to how Putin rigged Eurovision."
by poemless on Tue Aug 26th, 2008 at 12:20:06 PM EST
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I'd have said it was more like recreational PNing.
by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Tue Aug 26th, 2008 at 12:21:39 PM EST
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It's an open thread, and after 5pm!

A vivid image of what should exist acts as a surrogate for reality. Pursuit of the image then prevents pursuit of the reality -- John K. Galbraith
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Tue Aug 26th, 2008 at 12:24:36 PM EST
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There are many reasons to claim that such and such species (or genus) is the coolest on the planet, but cladistics is not one of them.

Now, the deadly pressure drop thing is supercool in my opinion (I'm a physicist by training after all) so I am not claiming you shouldn't have posted the news item.

A vivid image of what should exist acts as a surrogate for reality. Pursuit of the image then prevents pursuit of the reality -- John K. Galbraith

by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Tue Aug 26th, 2008 at 12:23:58 PM EST
[ Parent ]
No, I don't think it's a no-no to discuss possible drawbacks of windfarms. However, Mig's suggestion of ultrasonics is reasonable, probably quick, cheap and effective.

I must admit that I never read the article cos I just thought it was the usual nit-picking stuff you see too much of in the UK press. So far we've had migrating birds, birds of prey, low flying fighter planes, RAF over the horizon radar, subsonic vibrations. I admit I've been waiting for a correlation with bee colony collapse syndrome.

So sometimes the first reaction is to dismiss. But if there's an issue, I trust it's something we'll have the care to resolve quickly.

keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Tue Aug 26th, 2008 at 12:56:59 PM EST
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since it is a no-no to say anything bad about windfarms here.  

Do you actually believe that? Do you?

In the long run, we're all dead. John Maynard Keynes

by Jerome a Paris (jeromeguillet@yahoo.fr) on Tue Aug 26th, 2008 at 06:59:57 PM EST
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Easy, have the nacelle produce an ultrasound that will make the bats stay away from the wind turbine.

A vivid image of what should exist acts as a surrogate for reality. Pursuit of the image then prevents pursuit of the reality -- John K. Galbraith
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Tue Aug 26th, 2008 at 12:01:03 PM EST
[ Parent ]
That sounds very complicated, it would be simpler to surround the turbines with massive solid screens.

Why are you looking at me like that?

by ectoraige on Tue Aug 26th, 2008 at 10:03:56 PM EST
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Just admiration before inventive genius.

When locusts move on, they leave nothing behind
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Wed Aug 27th, 2008 at 01:17:55 AM EST
[ Parent ]
Welcome to ET, ectoraige!

Our knowledge has surpassed our wisdom. --Charu Saxena.
by metavision on Wed Aug 27th, 2008 at 06:37:56 AM EST
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This diary on dKos today features the MSNBC host Joe Scarborough.

In it he argues with one of his "guests" in a way that I find hard to watch. He simply never lets him get a word in, ending up swearing at him. I've seen him do this to Rachel Maddow and just thought he was a bullying putz, but if he's like this on his show all the time, how does he keep his job ? Seriously, how is this the behaviour of a professional broadcaster on any other channel apart from Faux Billo ? To my eyes, it's unbelieveable. You'd be off-air before the first commercial in the UK.

keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Tue Aug 26th, 2008 at 12:49:02 PM EST
That's a pretty big stretch of the term "guest" by Scarborough.  That's David Shuster, one of MSNBC's reporters.  I'm a little impressed Shuster didn't pound him into dust right on the air (which is basically the only way they're ever going to get me to watch Morning Joe).

I have no idea why Scarborough's still on television.  They've changed his time slot about eighty times now, and his ratings always blow.  He should go back to Congress.  Really, he was the perfect representative for the white trash constituency in NW Florida.

But alcoholic Mormonista Glenn Beck's ratings also blow, and he's still on the air at Headline News.

And Pat Buchanan, who is literally an old Nazi sympathizer and architect of Nixon's Southern Strategy, is still on television, although he doesn't have a show anymore.  But at least Pat's balanced out by Rachel on the panels.

Where's your motherf*%&ing flag pin?

by Drew J Jones (blahblahblah@blahblahblah.com) on Tue Aug 26th, 2008 at 01:44:05 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Buchanan at least has a sense of humor about himself and a willingness to make rather brutally honest evaluations of his own party.  I find that hosts or "guests" who filibuster others quickly make the program unwatchable, but for the mute button, without which the commercials alone would make most programs unwatchable.

For the panel shows I would like to see the host equipped with a little control which has a mute for each guest, along with a directive to only allow one at a time to comment.  If others want to filibuster an ideological opponent, let them do it without being directly miced. In the case of Chris Mathews, they should give  mute buttons for Chris to the other panelists.

If sanity be culturally normative, then by the norms of this culture I claim insanity.

by ARGeezer (argeezer a in a circle yahoo dot com) on Tue Aug 26th, 2008 at 02:37:32 PM EST
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Buchanan actually believes the US is being invaded by Mexicans.  There's nothing funny about him, and his laugh merely serves to hide what a pathetic excuse for a human being he is and has always been.  That he's allowed within fifty yards of a tv camera says a great deal about the value of the news media in this country.

Where's your motherf*%&ing flag pin?
by Drew J Jones (blahblahblah@blahblahblah.com) on Tue Aug 26th, 2008 at 03:25:50 PM EST
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But his 'brutally honest evaluations of his own party' are rooted in his racism. Le Pen is capable of 'brutally honest' evaluations of Sarkozy, and Chirac before him. Doesn't mean that one should cite Le Pen as an authority, or admire him.
by MarekNYC on Tue Aug 26th, 2008 at 03:31:26 PM EST
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On immigration and the southern strategy I agree.  But tell me how that enters into his condemnation of Scheunemman and the McCain campaign over Georgia.  How does that discredit his comments for McCain supporters?  If he provides ammunition in their terms and uses it against them, how does that hurt Democrats?  Geez, even when an opponent says something helpful to you, you discredit it on ad homenus grounds?

If sanity be culturally normative, then by the norms of this culture I claim insanity.
by ARGeezer (argeezer a in a circle yahoo dot com) on Tue Aug 26th, 2008 at 08:24:33 PM EST
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Because he is very probably antisemitic as well. For the left the charges that racism is at the root of their opposition to the neocon policies are almost always groundless. For the hard right it's a different story.

A second reason is that even if that weren't the case, I do not want to give scum like Buchanan any credibility. Just like I wouldn't approvingly cite the Daniel Pipes of the world even if they happened to say something I agreed with. I want racists thoroughly marginalized.

by MarekNYC on Tue Aug 26th, 2008 at 08:52:52 PM EST
[ Parent ]
It is not necessary to approve of the person or what he stands for in order to use his statements for your benefit.  I know that those who were born after, say 1965, would really like to fast forward past all of the nastiness of the "culture war" creation of the right wing.  So would I.  It is total bullshit.  But it has been effective.  Buchanan was there at the creation of this noxious meme.  To use him to undermine one of the great pillars of the neo-cons is highly appropriate from my point of view.

If you get sprayed with shit, you don't slink off and hide in shame!  You take a shower, change your clothes and get back in the fight.  It is not a question of whether the means justify the ends.  Could one have cited a Nazi to bring down Hitler in 1934, regardless of how vile that Nazi was, and one refused to do so because they feared legitimizing that person, what would be the moral content of that decision?  Means are only justifiable in terms of the ends they produce.

If sanity be culturally normative, then by the norms of this culture I claim insanity.

by ARGeezer (argeezer a in a circle yahoo dot com) on Tue Aug 26th, 2008 at 09:08:55 PM EST
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So basically you think it makes sense to use the neocons against the Buchanans and vice versa?
by MarekNYC on Tue Aug 26th, 2008 at 09:22:46 PM EST
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Why not?  Is it immoral to seize on divisions within the enemy camp?  

If sanity be culturally normative, then by the norms of this culture I claim insanity.
by ARGeezer (argeezer a in a circle yahoo dot com) on Tue Aug 26th, 2008 at 09:53:36 PM EST
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His party? I thought he had left the Republican party. He ran in 2000 as an  independent (Reform Party?), thus unintentionally helping Bush become president.
by gk (g k quattro due due sette "at" gmail.com) on Tue Aug 26th, 2008 at 06:34:53 PM EST
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In the case of Chris Mathews, they should give  mute buttons for Chris to the other panelists.

lol! yup, there's an apple that rolled uphill from the tree...

Peace is not the absence of war -- peace is the absence of fear. Ursula Franklin

by melo (melometa4(at)gmail.com) on Wed Aug 27th, 2008 at 01:31:48 PM EST
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Theme for the photoblog on friday will be sightseeing...
Hardly original I know but many people have some holiday snaps lurking about.  

Ad astra per aspera
by In Wales (inwales aaat eurotrib.com) on Tue Aug 26th, 2008 at 01:57:05 PM EST
I hope you'll explain how to let people see photos without pounding the bandwidth with about 50 of the wotsits.

keep to the Fen Causeway
by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Tue Aug 26th, 2008 at 02:16:41 PM EST
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I did explain in a previous OT when you asked earlier in the week. Choose a small number of your best/favourite photos and post as usual.

And/or, put a link to your online album which contains all photos people may wish to look at, then people can see the thumbnails and choose which ones to look at.

Otherwise only put thumbnails up on the diary page but people generally don't tend to like that much.

Ad astra per aspera

by In Wales (inwales aaat eurotrib.com) on Tue Aug 26th, 2008 at 03:12:12 PM EST
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Interesting article on change:

http://www.berkana.org/articles/lifecycle.htm

by Metatone (metatone [a|t] gmail (dot) com) on Tue Aug 26th, 2008 at 02:24:04 PM EST
Can someone tell me what "Show mode" is on an older diary ? I'd like to edit it but can't.

keep to the Fen Causeway
by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Tue Aug 26th, 2008 at 03:51:52 PM EST
Which diary is it?

When locusts move on, they leave nothing behind
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Tue Aug 26th, 2008 at 04:12:25 PM EST
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That one

keep to the Fen Causeway
by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Tue Aug 26th, 2008 at 04:32:34 PM EST
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Doesn't it give you a "Edit story" link?

If not I can edit it.

When locusts move on, they leave nothing behind

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Tue Aug 26th, 2008 at 04:38:04 PM EST
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It does give me the edit link, but when I click it, I get the message that it's in "show mode"

keep to the Fen Causeway
by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Tue Aug 26th, 2008 at 04:51:29 PM EST
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Do you want to do much editing?

When locusts move on, they leave nothing behind
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Tue Aug 26th, 2008 at 04:53:06 PM EST
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I cut and pasted it into Wordpad and edited it there. I can send it to you to be pasted over the whole thing.

keep to the Fen Causeway
by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Tue Aug 26th, 2008 at 05:22:18 PM EST
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OK (though maybe tomorrow morning, if that's OK).

When locusts move on, they leave nothing behind
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Tue Aug 26th, 2008 at 05:24:21 PM EST
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Fine, no rush. I was just more concerned why I couldn't edit the diary.

keep to the Fen Causeway
by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Tue Aug 26th, 2008 at 05:33:59 PM EST
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Done.

When locusts move on, they leave nothing behind
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Wed Aug 27th, 2008 at 02:46:20 AM EST
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I get that message if I try to open an archived diary - I presume it means the archive is write protected?

Vote McCain for war without gain
by Frank Schnittger (mail Frankschnittger at hot dotty communists) on Tue Aug 26th, 2008 at 04:59:19 PM EST
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Probably, though editing looks available to me (and other front-pagers, presumably).

When locusts move on, they leave nothing behind
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Tue Aug 26th, 2008 at 05:17:46 PM EST
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Good thing I got renter's insurance last month.  Someone broke into my apartment and stole my laptop.

Awesome.

"Is there a master key?"

"No."

"So how the fuck could they have gotten in?"

"Well, the locks are old.  They could've opened them with a credit card or something."

"(silence)"

I'm about thisclose to beating someone fucking senseless.

Where's your motherf*%&ing flag pin?

by Drew J Jones (blahblahblah@blahblahblah.com) on Tue Aug 26th, 2008 at 03:58:15 PM EST
Shit, that's bad.

When locusts move on, they leave nothing behind
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Tue Aug 26th, 2008 at 04:13:45 PM EST
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It's bizarre, too.  They didn't steal anything else.  Not the tv, or the desktop, or the iPhone or iPod, or the game system -- nothing else.  Just the laptop.

And it's not even a very good one.  Is there big demand for clunky, four-year-old Presarios on the black market that I'm just not aware of?

Where's your motherf*%&ing flag pin?

by Drew J Jones (blahblahblah@blahblahblah.com) on Tue Aug 26th, 2008 at 06:38:55 PM EST
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That´s awful.  I´d feel as if they had taken my head.

Our knowledge has surpassed our wisdom. --Charu Saxena.
by metavision on Tue Aug 26th, 2008 at 04:28:59 PM EST
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I'd really like to bust Bill Clinton's lip right now.

I've made nice in my opinions on Hillary, at least for now, and I kinda think she's going to give a barnburner, or at least a very solid, speech tonight.

But Bill needs to be placed in a rocket and fired out to deep space.

Where's your motherf*%&ing flag pin?

by Drew J Jones (blahblahblah@blahblahblah.com) on Tue Aug 26th, 2008 at 06:51:22 PM EST
Hilary, I command you to leave Drew's body !!

keep to the Fen Causeway
by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Wed Aug 27th, 2008 at 05:10:06 AM EST
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Interestingly, Metro (yes, Helen, I do read Metro during my morning commute) puts Clinton's support for obama on the front page with a picture of Hillary and Chelsea, with no Bill in sight.

A vivid image of what should exist acts as a surrogate for reality. Pursuit of the image then prevents pursuit of the reality -- John K. Galbraith
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Wed Aug 27th, 2008 at 05:19:42 AM EST
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